On Friday 16 May 2008 11:15:03 Carsten Hoeger wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, Frédéric Beuserie wrote:
> 
> > > I am trying to figure out which of these versions I want to install  
> > > but am having a hard time fingering it out.
> > > 
> > > Are Hyperion and Hymalia both GPL or just Hyperion? If so, is there  
> > > source for both?
> > 
> > as long as i know, 
> > 
> > short response: both are not full GPL
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> > long response: historically hymalia was only GPL but it seems some parts are
> > now CC-ed (creative commons) in the frontend.  hyperion is dual GPL/CC from
> > the beginning
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> > >  From what I have read it looks like Hyperion is GPL and scales better  
> > > than Hymalia.
> 
> > since hyperion is for the hosting market it's supposed to be "lightweight",
> > and it's. but the architecture is not as modular (at least in the current
> > version) as the "old" hymalia (fewer components & more integration, no more
> > standalone tomcat, no more ldap, ....)
> 
> The architecture of hyperion much more modular like hymalia. The fact, that
> there's currenlty no ldap integration does not mean, that it is not modular.
> 
> You cannot say something is not modular, just because it is missing modules!
okay, this is why I added "at least in the current version" in my comment. 
from a "real world" pov, missing modules or no modularity is quite the same. but i agree, in the long run the plateform of
OX6 is going to be much better than the old ones. but hey, this is not for the next week.

> There's currently a lot of components and examples on the way for hyperion.
> The server is not completely modular (in the development HEAD) and the
> admin/provisioning part already is (in the current stable branch).
> We are using OSGi to achieve this modularity. Hymalia does not have any such
> modularity at all - except for the gui, which allows to integrate own web
> modules -. With Hyperion, not only the server is modular.
> 
> The current Hyperion stable gui has support for Netvibes UWA
> (http://www.open-xchange.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hyperion_UWA).
> 
> The next generation is going to have even more features like themability.
> 
> http://www.open-xchange.com/wiki/indexphp?title=Gui_Theming_Description
believe me, i'm WAY more enthousiast with your new release than with the old ox5. in many aspects
(simplicity, focus on web UI, stability, ...). I just say that now it's a work in progress for the modularity part.

for the backend (mysql, ox engine), it will probably scale as the web server load balancer and mysql database do ( but i don't have
experiences in very big deploiement) but the problem we are facing with our current customers is the bandwith needed to download all the gui files. 
this is why i made such comment about the gui/badwith. Even if the backend is going well with 5K users, real worl deploiement is more like
"50 users doing their logon sequence at 09 AM from their house" and THAT will kill your SDSL 2Mbits for some minutes.

do you have something on the way to reduce this or any advices ?


frederic